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Saturday, May 17th, 2014
12:11 am
[toptunow_86]
Truth about 9/11
3:32 pm
All this is certainly date stabbed in memory of the terrorist attacks, which killed about 3,000 people, to lead discussion, hypotheses and theories. Few, however, know the true facts that are backed by physical laws. In 1945, crashed B-25 bomber into the Empire State Building at that time (and indeed today) the tallest building in New York City. After a few hours managed to extinguish the fire and killed only 14 people, including crew. ESB stands today, even though it is 40 years older than the World Trade Center. How come WTC after airplane crashes ever fallen? The answer is simple.


                                                                Controlled demolition.
                     





Many individuals do not believe that the twins were controlled bombs exploded probably termites , yet Americans will demolish its center of trade, but that’s nothing to do . It is worthy to note that in 1993, the Islamic terrorists in the garage of the North Tower exploded a bomb placed in a van, took 30 m deep hole , although not undermine the structural integrity of the building , as originally goal . It is clear that the only impact of aircraft towers would not fall. High-rise buildings are constructed of steel skeletons and solid carriers , in addition to the twins core of the system matrix tens of thousands to 80cm wide steel , each bound with beams , in addition prolitých concrete floors , the entire structure was both bolted and welded . Minoru Yamasaki - architect who designed the building , like in their buildings composing the same element - steel beams vertically , alternating with windows , so it seemed outwardly to functionalism Gothic. The twins were oriented diagonally so that the people inside do not obstruct the view. Let’s review the banality of physics , such as the temperature at which the melt steel . It is about 1300 degrees Celsius. It is possible that a temperature burning fuel produced from a plane ? The answer is no. It was almost half , about 600 degrees C. Some might say, ” Well , these are theoretical calculations , really nobody , and nobody did not measure it could not be determined exactly. ” But scientists , architects , engineers and demolition experts have even more evidence. ” Google” a term WTC debris . That can not seem debris building that collapses due to fire Moreover , it has a very stable core. Investigators have repeatedly flown shots collapse of the building and found that it occurs identity -driven blast. South Tower hit in sequence as the second collapsed about 20 minutes earlier than the north . The calculations physicists and architects found that the upper part of the intervention of the aircraft that is 10 or 20 floors by itself fell at free fall - would hit the ground in about 10 seconds . Upper portion falls in approximately the same time, even though it had almost beneath the building, which weighed 400 million kg and should collapse slow addition , the upper part can cause the collapse of the tower , because the free fall the element zero mass . This contradicts the laws of physics , we consider as people who do what they write , do not believe. A closer examination of the videos can be seen that both towers had collapsed like normal blasting old buildings. Do not believe? Check out:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbff_Ol-izY&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4w_AG2f8Lw&feature=player_embedded Exactly the same sequence: first explosions occurred in the area of impact ( impact location was targeted, because of that , that shot might be a first not quite on the upper floors , so as to carry out normal cutting ), then the underground floors and was eventually demolished tower top down . The presence of termites in the garage demonstrated and witnesses. In the first video you can see how a few floors below the smoke just fired a bomb blast . Engineers say the slang sparkler . These sparklers shooting undermine the structure in a certain place , to what is above it , it could quickly fall and also that demolition squad should guarantee that the building is really a razes to the ground. The upper part of the north tower to rest as if sucked , but the collapse of the south tower tilted at a sharp angle , so that should inevitably fall to the ground , but it did not . How so? That would mysteriously disappeared? No, it has not gone away , just in the air rozpráskala on all sides . The smoke that looked as if it came from the volcano and departing pieces sever steel columns to large distances clearly suggest that it was a controlled demolition. After several hours, also collapsed building No.7, although in it was not hit by any plane . She is the only one standing there , other buildings, ie the whole complex center and adjacent hotel were destroyed collapse of the twin towers . The claim that the WTC was brought down by fire is a big nonsense ( especially when in the 70s were more experienced ) .

                      Who installed the bombs into the towers?
                    





So these theories are more complicated. When you say that it was ” an inside job ” almost everyone will think that Americans are responsible for attacks (this is perhaps the reason why these theories do not belive of most per cent of people and let your opinion affect the mass media) . But this is more imbroglio . The two aircraft attacked the terrorists , all from Al - Qaeda or its affiliate . Muhammad Atta , as well as most of the hijackers of September 11 , studied technical subjects at the University of Hamburg. Plane learned to drive air through the courses , which says that he and his companions were very professional pilots . There is a hypothesis that controlled the laser-guided aircraft to ever hit the towers , but footage of this phenomenon can not be taken at 100 percent legit , today there are simple software , which you can embellish something . The fact is that a mistake on the board , so the first place to passengers spoke to flight dispatchers who received information about the kidnapping . Within 20 minutes from the cabin crew on flight 11 found seats on which sat hijackers and information on injuries. North American Air Forces Command was informed about the abduction and all that day hijacked planes had much time to react . But the blast plane with 81 passengers is not just a need many permits and evidence. The fighters were launched at 8:53 , but that was about 17 minutes late. There’s a relative possibility that terrorists cooperated with the U.S. government . It’s also possible that the Americans were used as bait . Or perhaps members of Al - Qaeda bomb installed in 400 m high towers themselves? That no one noticed anything suspicious ? Evidently not. In the days before occurred in both buildings cut. current ( from 10.9 to 11.9 , the towers were without electricity even all night) , in addition, restoration of a few rooms , so that the WTC was teeming with workers and plumbers. This meant that there could get any . That would be just between them quietly wandered into ? The catch is that no one knew who the workers were , from what company they came from. Which side of the attack planned ? In August, the owner of the twins their property insured against terrorist attack, everything in the buildings there were , it was insured . Some companies , particularly banks to sell their stock in the WTC area . They must have known something or you know . George Bush reportedly thwarted investigations and stayed substitution of ” his people ” and the beginning of trying to persuade others that it is a normal accident.
Just as people today do not believe this conspiracy theory with termites , so that first ‘ve never believed that it was not an accident, some police officers had considered that the smoke from the north tower overlaid the south , did not know that also burns . Just not to be ignorant and believe every stupidity on television or public opinion ( and it is not just Sept. 11 ) . Who has the biggest brain nehlavnějším disaster in U.S. history and why it like this plan remains the greatest mystery that will probably never be resolved. Some think the U.S. government to initiate the Afghanistan war , some again that it was itself Al - Qaeda that caused inflation the dollar. I believe that both sides have something to say and I also think that it was ultimately a good thing that the fighters could shoot down airplanes , because that had firefighters , police officers and paramedics time to evacuate , and if the twins slid right now , would have died more people. Whether you believe this conspiracy theory or not is up to you . But I prefer when we will be more.

© toptunow_86

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Tuesday, September 12th, 2006
9:02 pm
[entj]
Five years
Five years since the attacks.

I just felt that it ought to be acknowledged here.

(I tried to do it yesterday, but the community was closed at that time.)

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Monday, May 12th, 2003
9:11 am
[jimmy10]

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Friday, March 14th, 2003
7:55 pm
[paradisacorbasi]

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Friday, January 31st, 2003
7:36 am
[paradisacorbasi]

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Friday, January 3rd, 2003
5:56 pm
[pould]
Towers
If anybody's interested, I've written a poem on the first anniversary of my working at Ground Zero:

Towers

They said because we stood up tall
We wouldn't fall
We couldn't fall
But if I should descend to ground
Who will catch?
Who's there to catch?

You say that since I stand up tall
I will not fall
I just can't fall
But since I stand on lonely ground
Who will catch?
Who's there to catch?

I ask, if towers fall to ground
Should I not fall?
Alone, can fall?
And if you think I seem too tall
You missed my roots
You overshoot

There's nothing that cannot collapse
Alone and proud,
Stand our ground?
And if our lives are fragile yet
Is nothing safe?
Are scenes laid waste?

Foundations crumble, nations fall
And humans weep
As loneliness creeps.
If you think I stand too tall
You're probably right
You're totally right.

The original can be found here.

Have a Happy New Year.

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Wednesday, December 18th, 2002
8:00 pm
[paradisacorbasi]
from cnntopstories
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Northeast/12/18/wtc.rebuilding/index.html -- About rebuilding the World Trade Center site.

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Sunday, November 3rd, 2002
6:23 pm
[kupp99]
you ever reach the point where you just realize that it is time to get new people in your life. When you realize that all of the people that you spend so much time on don't really care if you are there or not and take advantage 95% of the time. Well I guess I finally realized it, only took me 21 years to do it, but shit, better late than never right. The sad part is, I have finally come to the conclusion, after years of hating my family, that they are the ONLY people I can count on to be there for me. Pretty sad isn't it. No pity for me, just show me that middle finger and tell me to get over it. That is all I have to say. Fuck all of you people that use me and take advantage of the fact that I have been and always will be to some degree a doormat. I may still be a doormat after today, but even if I am, if I want to yell at you I will and if I want to make an ass of myself I will but at least I won't be taking it all lying down anymore. Kick the shit out of me standing up, I dare ya.

Current Mood: Fuck you

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Thursday, September 19th, 2002
11:39 am
[paradisacorbasi]

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Wednesday, August 14th, 2002
7:28 pm
[paradisacorbasi]
Amazon.com
has a bunch of september 11 related merchandise on sale now. DVDs and Videos.

Just so folks know.

I'm not quite ready to add such to my collections, yet, but if other folks were interested, I thought I should mention it.

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Wednesday, August 7th, 2002
3:44 pm
[mactavish]

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Saturday, July 27th, 2002
7:02 pm
[media_psyche]
Just a reminder:

#MarxChat on DALnet

Looking for more discussions and people to make them

feel free to join in

you can join the Java client through the following link or you may use an IRC client such as www.mirc.com and /join #marxchat on the DALnet server.

thanks, hope to see you there.

http://www.communist-party.ca/english/chat/chat4.html

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Saturday, July 20th, 2002
12:27 pm
[mactavish]
Liam's fire truck.

This is pleasing to me.

(Liam was banesidhe.)

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Tuesday, July 16th, 2002
9:58 am
[paradisacorbasi]
we can rebuild
Found on AOLCollapse )

Current Mood: hopeful

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Wednesday, July 10th, 2002
10:25 am
[paradisacorbasi]
News
Man -- I bank at SunTrust.

I may move my business elsewhere after this.

News from AOL via Reuters about 9/11 terroristsCollapse )

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Thursday, June 27th, 2002
4:26 pm
[snoopyh42]
k, I'm done with having my journal spammed by some guy who hates America and what it stands for. I'm leaving the community. Good bye, and my condolances once more to any and all who lost someone in the September 11th disaster.

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Friday, June 14th, 2002
4:24 pm
[paradisacorbasi]

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Monday, June 3rd, 2002
3:09 am
[bleedingheart]
Report: CIA Knew Two Sept. 11 Hijackers Were in U.S.
CIA Declines to Comment on Report

Reuters

NEW YORK (June 2) - Months before the Sept. 11 attacks, the CIA knew two of the hijackers were in the United States and that they were connected to the al-Qaida organization, Newsweek reported Sunday.

According to the report that will hit newsstands Monday, the intelligence was never passed along to the FBI, which now asserts that if it had known, agents could have uncovered the terrorist plot.

The CIA declined comment.

Newsweek said the CIA became aware of one of the terrorists, Nawaf Alhazmi, a few days after he attended a secret planning meeting of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida in Malaysia in January 2000.

Agents also discovered that another of the men, Khalid Almihdhar, had already obtained a multiple-entry visa that allowed him to enter and leave the United States at will.

The magazine said the CIA did nothing with the information, neither notifying the FBI, which could have tracked the two men, or the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which could have turned them away at the border.

Instead, Newsweek said that for a year and nine months after the CIA identified them as terrorists, Alhazmi and Almihdhar lived openly in the United States, using their real names, obtaining driver's licenses, opening bank accounts and enrolling in flight schools. On the morning of Sept. 11, they boarded one of the four hijacked aircraft, American Airlines Flight 77, and crashed it into the Pentagon.

Some 3,000 people died in the attacks outside Washington and in New York and rural Pennsylvania.

A U.S. intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity told Reuters that, with the benefit of hindsight, it was easy to speculate about what might have happened if information about Alhazmi and Almihdhar had been handled differently.

''It was not clear, by any stretch of the imagination who these individuals were or their connection to al-Qaida'' until after the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000 ''gave us additional insight,'' the official said.

'WE ALL COULD HAVE DONE BETTER'

The official also denied assertions that intelligence about the two men had not been passed on to law enforcement, saying information on the Malaysian meeting as well as information developed after the Cole bombing ''was shared with the FBI contemporaneously.''

''In retrospect, we all could have done better, law enforcement, intelligence and government as a whole,'' the official said. ''We have no way of knowing what would have happened if these individuals had been put on a watch list earlier. One can only speculate.''

Appearing on the ''Fox News Sunday'' program, Attorney General John Ashcroft said he had been given the Newsweek report but had not ''had a chance to digest this story ... to read it thoroughly and get the details.''

Nonetheless, Ashcroft added, ''We are at war. We need to seize on every possibility for preventing additional attacks. That is our strategy. That is our responsibility, and we need to coordinate the activities between our agencies.''

Newsweek said the information was held at the CIA's Counterterrorism Center, the base camp for the agency's war on bin Laden. The magazine said that when Almihdhar's visa expired, the State Department, not knowing any better, issued him a new one in July 2001, even though the CIA had linked him to one of the suspected bombers of the USS Cole.

The FBI now is asserting that the two terrorists' frequent meetings with the other Sept. 11 hijackers could have provided federal agents with a road map to the entire cast, the magazine said. But the FBI didn't know it was supposed to be looking for them until three weeks before the strikes, when CIA Director George Tenet, worried an attack was imminent, ordered a review.

An all-points bulletin was sent Aug. 23, 2001, launching law enforcement agents on an urgent and futile search for the two men.

Newsweek said FBI officials have prepared a detailed chart showing how agents could have uncovered the terrorist plot if they had learned about Almihdhar and Alhazmi sooner, given their contacts with at least five of the other hijackers.

REUTERS Reut19:30 06-02-02

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3:09 am
[bleedingheart]
Report: CIA Knew Two Sept. 11 Hijackers Were in U.S.
CIA Declines to Comment on Report

Reuters

NEW YORK (June 2) - Months before the Sept. 11 attacks, the CIA knew two of the hijackers were in the United States and that they were connected to the al-Qaida organization, Newsweek reported Sunday.

According to the report that will hit newsstands Monday, the intelligence was never passed along to the FBI, which now asserts that if it had known, agents could have uncovered the terrorist plot.

The CIA declined comment.

Newsweek said the CIA became aware of one of the terrorists, Nawaf Alhazmi, a few days after he attended a secret planning meeting of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida in Malaysia in January 2000.

Agents also discovered that another of the men, Khalid Almihdhar, had already obtained a multiple-entry visa that allowed him to enter and leave the United States at will.

The magazine said the CIA did nothing with the information, neither notifying the FBI, which could have tracked the two men, or the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which could have turned them away at the border.

Instead, Newsweek said that for a year and nine months after the CIA identified them as terrorists, Alhazmi and Almihdhar lived openly in the United States, using their real names, obtaining driver's licenses, opening bank accounts and enrolling in flight schools. On the morning of Sept. 11, they boarded one of the four hijacked aircraft, American Airlines Flight 77, and crashed it into the Pentagon.

Some 3,000 people died in the attacks outside Washington and in New York and rural Pennsylvania.

A U.S. intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity told Reuters that, with the benefit of hindsight, it was easy to speculate about what might have happened if information about Alhazmi and Almihdhar had been handled differently.

''It was not clear, by any stretch of the imagination who these individuals were or their connection to al-Qaida'' until after the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000 ''gave us additional insight,'' the official said.

'WE ALL COULD HAVE DONE BETTER'

The official also denied assertions that intelligence about the two men had not been passed on to law enforcement, saying information on the Malaysian meeting as well as information developed after the Cole bombing ''was shared with the FBI contemporaneously.''

''In retrospect, we all could have done better, law enforcement, intelligence and government as a whole,'' the official said. ''We have no way of knowing what would have happened if these individuals had been put on a watch list earlier. One can only speculate.''

Appearing on the ''Fox News Sunday'' program, Attorney General John Ashcroft said he had been given the Newsweek report but had not ''had a chance to digest this story ... to read it thoroughly and get the details.''

Nonetheless, Ashcroft added, ''We are at war. We need to seize on every possibility for preventing additional attacks. That is our strategy. That is our responsibility, and we need to coordinate the activities between our agencies.''

Newsweek said the information was held at the CIA's Counterterrorism Center, the base camp for the agency's war on bin Laden. The magazine said that when Almihdhar's visa expired, the State Department, not knowing any better, issued him a new one in July 2001, even though the CIA had linked him to one of the suspected bombers of the USS Cole.

The FBI now is asserting that the two terrorists' frequent meetings with the other Sept. 11 hijackers could have provided federal agents with a road map to the entire cast, the magazine said. But the FBI didn't know it was supposed to be looking for them until three weeks before the strikes, when CIA Director George Tenet, worried an attack was imminent, ordered a review.

An all-points bulletin was sent Aug. 23, 2001, launching law enforcement agents on an urgent and futile search for the two men.

Newsweek said FBI officials have prepared a detailed chart showing how agents could have uncovered the terrorist plot if they had learned about Almihdhar and Alhazmi sooner, given their contacts with at least five of the other hijackers.

REUTERS Reut19:30 06-02-02

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Tuesday, May 28th, 2002
4:52 pm
[noway]
I just got this spam:
We have spent many pain-staking hours trying to capture the pride of the American spirit since the 9-11-01 tragedy that struck the WTC.While watching the news we noticed how the American Spirit unites in these times of pain and loss.

This is why we present to you the 9-11 Commemorative Mouse Pads and T-Shirts.

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Saturday, May 25th, 2002
9:39 pm
[lordlucan]
A gentleman by the name of Derek Turner recently unveiled his idea for a new World Trade Center. It is pretty damned impressive, as you should be able to see here...



If the pic doesn't work, go here. For more information, there is a very detailed site here.

So, what do you guys think? Personally, I think it's one stunning looking building, but I'm not sure it would look too good in New York, I'm not sure it's suited to the aesthetic character of that particular city. Hong Kong, Melbourne, Sydney, maybe...but I'm not so sure about New York.

Personally, I'm still very fond of the idea that went around the net shortly after September 11, you know, the one with the five towers arranged to look like an insulting gesture...sure, it was a joke, but why the hell not??

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Thursday, May 2nd, 2002
7:48 pm
[spongebobrocks]
A poem
I'm putting this behind lj-cut just incase someone doesn't want to read it. It's sad..not gory or mean or anything.

DaddyCollapse )

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Tuesday, March 19th, 2002
12:27 am
[adman]
And it was written.. or maybe not?
In my last post which some of you responded to I found two distinct opinions which leads me to believe that I am as gullible as most.
Do I believe everything I read.. ahhh no, do I accept only one point of view.. ahhh no, am I trusting and naive even at 54 years old... ahhh yes. Was I so outraged and angry at what I read I took on the mob mentality and ran out into the streets screaming for blood any ones blood... ahhh yes. And now I am a wiser man, the same man mind you but wiser one I hope.

It seems the Ollie North - Osma Bin Laden, chain letter is a hoax or is it? There are several sites that say it is and none that support it. The reason none of us are sure of any truth or lie these days is the media, experts, business leaders, judges and the politicians have all lied to us so often we are skeptical to say the least. Hell we can have 3 to 5 so called paid experts tell us 5 different opinions and all of them want us to believe them as gospel truth and based solely on fact.

Ya right!

Yes I agree this is a hoax, yes I was taken in by it.. now what I explode?

I don't think so..

Peace,
Dave

Current Mood: annoyed

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Monday, March 18th, 2002
4:57 pm
[adman]
Anyone remember this?? It was 1987!
Anyone remember this?? It was 1987!

At a lecture the other day they played an old news video of Lt. Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan Administration. There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but what he said was stunning!

He was being drilled by some
senator; "Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security
system?"

Ollie replied, "Yes, I did, Sir."

The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience,"
Isn't that just a little excessive?"

"No, sir," continued Ollie.

"No? And why not?" the senator asked.

"Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir"

"Threatened? By whom?" the senator questioned.

"By a terrorist, sir" Ollie answered.

"Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?"

"His name is Osama bin Laden, sir" Ollie replied.

At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued. "Why are you so afraid
of this man?" the senator asked.

"Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of," Ollie answered.
"And what do you recommend we do about him?" asked the senator.

"Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth."
The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that was shown of the clip.

(If anyone is interested, the senator was none other than Al Gore.)

How bout that

Current Mood: angry

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Saturday, March 16th, 2002
2:24 pm
[harleen]
*Tea for America*....
Whilst at the Whole Foods Market today, I found a new tea from Celestial Seasonings called "Tea for America". It is a regular black tea, very reasonably priced (only $2.99 for 60 tea bags) and the box said 100 percent of the proceeds would benefit the American Red Cross. So I picked it up...it's not as strong as what I normally like but it's not bad!

here's more from *their site*....

Tea For America
A limited edition tea, 100% of profits from Tea for America sales will be donated to the American Red Cross to support all of the Red Cross's extraordinary relief work. Tea for America is a smooth tasting blend of carefully selected black tea leaves that gives you a perfect cup of hot or iced tea. Tea for America will be available in 60 count boxes, in stores the beginning of 2002.

more on it here: http://www.celestialseasonings.com/static_catalog/black/tfa.jhtml

just thought I would spread the word...!

Current Mood: good

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Wednesday, March 13th, 2002
10:49 pm
[adman]
Let there be Peace and Hope


Current Mood: peaceful

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Tuesday, March 12th, 2002
12:41 am
[mattgillies]
A while ago, someone here posted an article about possibly US secret service involvement in the Sept. 11th attacks. It would be easy to simply dismiss them as paranoid rantings, but the piece raised some valid points. A few minutes ago I discovered this website (http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm) It raises some very interesting questions. A quote:

"As everyone knows, on 11 September, less than an hour after the attack on the World Trade Centre, an airplane collided with the Pentagon. The Associated Press first reported that a booby-trapped truck had caused the explosion. The Pentagon quickly denied this. The official US government version of events still holds. Here's a little game for you: Take a look at these photographs and try to find evidence to corroborate the official version. It's up to you to Hunt the Boeing!"

The photos are official photos from US army websites and other such sources. Check it out... and then ask what the hell is going on... there's something we're not being told here...

-Matt

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Tuesday, March 5th, 2002
1:15 pm
[madgenyc]

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10:00 am
[paradisacorbasi]
Church signs
Normally, I don't much hold with church.

I find a lot of it -- ill befitting of what I was taught as a kid.

Anyway, today I saw a sign that made me smile, genuinely.

It said, simply:


You know that 'Love Thy Neighbor' thing?


I MEANT It.


--God

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Monday, February 25th, 2002
2:49 pm
[mattgillies]
Hello. My name is Matt, and I've been reading and commenting in this group since 9/11. I'd just like to call attention to a disturbing trend in this group.

The attacks on the WTC have been called an attack on freedom, but what is freedom without the right to express a dissenting opinion? Those who dare to post an unpopular opinion or who dare to debate a point they don't agree with face censorship and threats.

The group is described as "A forum for discussion of the World Trade Center attacks, as well as the attacks on the Pentagon, Pennsylvania, and democracy" yet the differing opinions so vital to enlightened discussion are punished.

If someone were to mention the hypocracy in killing nearly 10,000 Afghan civillians in response to 3,000 American deaths and justifying this as a "war on terrorism", one would be subject to abuse and possible journal suspension. If someone were to even debate the morality of the attacks as being anything but evil, they too would face threats and abuse.

In attempting to silence one side of this debate, one finds themself ignoring the values they claim are under attack. We can condemn the attacks as terrorist attacks on freedom, but we lose that moral justification when we respond in a manner that kills even more inncocent people, and when we fail to uphold that freedom in our own countries.

-Matt

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Sunday, February 24th, 2002
12:03 am
[msajiva]

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Thursday, February 21st, 2002
11:52 am
[mrph]
Wasted Blood
The BBC reports that most of the blood donated after the attacks was completely wasted...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1833000/1833276.stm

Current Mood: sad

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Thursday, February 14th, 2002
11:04 pm
[paradisacorbasi]
Account suspended
Re the abusive troll person:


Dear user,

That account has now been suspended. Please inform us as soon as possible should you become aware of any other entries of this nature.

Regards,
LiveJournal Abuse Team


I also cc'd the community owner and suggested the community's join policy be "contact the moderator' temporarily until we get over this particular pest problem.

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Wednesday, February 13th, 2002
3:41 am
[zzyzx]
The facts speak for themselves...
Here I got the ACTUAL list from snopes (http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/cars.htm)
CNN did no such story.
Also, I wanted to note that this is from their websites and one's that say "No information found on web site." May not necisarally not given, but may have just not put it on their website
Next time, you might want to think before you spead spam, it's just like the e-mail about aol.exe being a virus...

  • Aston Martin: No information found on web site. (Aston Martin is now owned by Ford.)

  • Audi: Includes a press release about Audi's contribution of $100,000 to the New York Fire Fighters 9-11 Disaster Relief Fund and other fundraising efforts.

    (Also see the entry for Volkswagen, as the Volkswagen Group includes Audi and Volkswagen in the United States.)

  • BMW: Includes press release about BMW Group's donations of $1 million in cash and ten new BMW X5 Sports Activity Vehicles to the Red Cross for national relief efforts and 100 motorcycles to the New York Police Department.

  • Daewoo: No information found on web site.

  • DaimlerChrysler: Web site says they are committng $10 million to help children who have lost parents in terrorist attacks

  • Fiat: No information found on web site.

  • Ford: Includes detailed page about Ford's participation in the National Tragedy Relief Effort, including donations of $1 million each to the Red Cross and the Salvation Army and a program for matching all individual employee contributions.

  • General Motors: Includes GM Response To National Tragedy detailing General Motors' many contributions to organizations assisting September 11 victims, including donations of $1 million to the American Red Cross and 50 automobiles to the New York City Fire Department.

  • Honda: A Honda Responds page lists contributions of $1.5 million to the United Way of New York's "September 11 Fund" and the American Red Cross.

  • Hyundai: The Hyundai Cares page promises a $300,000 donation to the American Red Cross.

  • Isuzu: No information found in Isuzu News section of web site.

  • Mitsubishi: Page about Contributions to Relief Efforts details Mitsubishi's contributions to September 11 programs, including $200,000 raised for the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund.

  • Nissan: A page on Nissan's web site announces their $1 million donation to the American Red Cross and the Twin Towers Fund plus details other forms of support the company and its employees have put forward.

  • Porsche: Porsche has announced it will be donating 20% of the proceeds from its Drive For Hope Cross-Country Trek to the New York Firefighters 9-11 Disaster Relief Fund.

  • Subaru: A Subaru in the Community page mentions that Subaru and its parent company, Fuji Heavy Industries, Ltd. in Japan, have made combined contributions of cash and equipment totalling approximately $1 million through the American Red Cross, Salvation Army, and other relief organizations.

  • Suzuki: Opening page includes an American flag link to a page detailing their contributions, which include matching employees' contribution of $31,000 with $31,000 of their own and donating SUVs and ATVs at Ground Zero to aid rescue workers.

  • Toyota: Toyota was the one automobile company that took the initiative of contacting us, even though we had not given any indication we would be writing about this topic. Their page about Toyota's Contributions to the Relief Effort details a $1 million donation to the American Red Cross and a program to match similar employee contributions.

  • Volvo: Opening page of web site includes link to a letter to New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani offering the city the use of Volvo and Mack vehicles and equipment at the Volvo Group's expense. (Volvo automotive is now owned by Ford.)

  • Volkswagen: Includes a press release about VW's donation of 25 vans to the New York City Fire Department and another press release about the formation of a foundation to assist victims of terrorist attacks in the United States, which will be initially funded with $2 million dollars from Volkswagen.


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Tuesday, February 12th, 2002
9:54 pm
[liessa]
I know this is late, but better late than never...
I posted this at www.irememberthetowers.com


My father worked in the Twin Towers. (Thank heaven he's alright.) I went to the Twin Towers every year. It was a ritual. And now, the ritual can no longer take place.
I have a huge binder at home called the WTC profile. There I keep people's quotes and little scraps I find. And it's not for those 'oh I want money later to sell these' reasons. It's because I remember that every generation has a time that they must prove themselves, to them, for them, and with each other. It's nature's law. And a good one if you ask me.

God Bless America.
God Bless the world.
God Bless those true souls within.

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Saturday, February 9th, 2002
9:01 pm
[liessa]
Hello, I just recently joined this group. First of all, my consolations to those who lost people in the terrible attack, and I give you a moment of silence.

Second of all, is the livejournal staff reading this? Because some of these messages are not completely pro-AMerica, so I see. Or maybe I'm interpreting wrong.

Please tell me if I make a mistake.

~Liessa

Current Mood: concerned

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Thursday, February 7th, 2002
1:21 pm
[mike3k]
14559 » February 7 9:18 AM. Attempted hijack of United Airlines flight to Argentina... A passenger was seized by cabin crew today as he attempted to enter the cockpit on an American Airlines flight from the US to Argentina today...I don't think this is anything al-Quaida related, but I thought it was worth the post. [MetaFilter]
This points out exactly how everyone has gone nuts since 9-11. These same kind of incidents have always happend, but before now they weren't considered newsworthy. I really don't believe that things are more dangerous now than they were before 9-11. All it did was wake us up to dangers that were there all along but we chose to ignore.

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Saturday, February 2nd, 2002
11:09 pm
[alladinsane]

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4:57 pm
[media_psyche]

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3:46 pm
[media_psyche]

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2:05 pm
[media_psyche]

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11:27 am
[media_psyche]

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Friday, February 1st, 2002
6:51 pm
[sunkistsoda]
Why doesn't the adminastrator just block indianjoe? I would think that would be the best idea, and I don't think anyone here would object.

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7:31 pm
[sailorpluto7]
I have just one thing to say to indianjoe, and the other people who used this journal to spread their hate. F*** you! PEOPLE DIED! THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIED IN NEW YORK, WASHINGTON, AND PENNSYLVANIA. Our country may not be perfect, and we may have done things in the past that we aren't too proud of, but that was then. This is now. We are in the middle of a war. PEOPLE DIED!

People died because of the hatred of other people, hatred in the name of religion. Islam does not preach hatred. These people do. I am a high school student from Northern Virginia. My school is extremely close to the Pentagon. I can remember the tears running down my face. I had never been so scared in my life. Rumors were flying around school that the State Department had been bombed, that they were trying to blow up the White House. We didn't know who it was.

THEY DESTROYED MANY, MANY LIVES. I remember listening to one of my CCD students talk about his friend whose father had been killed. I was sobbing. I don't think you would be mocking America's pain if this had happened to people you knew.

God Bless America!
Sarah

Current Mood: enraged

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7:22 pm
[sailorpluto7]
I have just one thing to say to indianjoe, and the other people who used this journal to spread their hate. F*** you! PEOPLE DIED! THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIED IN NEW YORK, WASHINGTON, AND PENNSYLVANIA. Our country may not be perfect, and we may have done things in the past that we aren't too proud of, but that was then. This is now. We are in the middle of a war. PEOPLE DIED!

People died because of the hatred of other people, hatred in the name of religion. Islam does not preach hatred. These people do. I am a high school student from Northern Virginia. My school is extremely close to the Pentagon. I can remember the tears running down my face. I had never been so scared in my life. Rumors were flying around school that the State Department had been bombed, that they were trying to blow up the White House. We didn't know who it was.

THEY DESTROYED MANY, MANY LIVES. I remember listening to one of my CCD students talk about his friend whose father had been killed. I was sobbing. I don't think you would be mocking America's pain if this had happened to people you knew.

God Bless America!
Sarah

Current Mood: enraged

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Thursday, January 31st, 2002
8:59 pm
[fieryredhead]
Oh, and I forgot
My favorite comic book atrist; Joseph Michael Linsner is putting out a tribute book to the disaster called 'I Love NY'. It describes both his and his friends (including myself) reactions to the disaster and also tells graphically his view of the story of our trip to Jersey City.

All of the profits made from the book are going to charity. :)

It will be available in pretty much every comic store, but if you would like more info or want to check out Joe's art go to www.Linsner.com

Or ask me. :)

Thanks

Current Mood: busy

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8:57 pm
[fieryredhead]
New Here
Hello Everyone,

Just found this community and thought I would say hi. I'd Like to share with you and email I had sent out to some friends in September. The Friday after the bombings I traveled donw to NY and NJ. Most of my close friends live down there and we had been planning on getting together that weekend and decided that even after everything that happened we still just needed to SEE each other to try and get past this terror. It may not mean anything to anyone but me but to me it was a very powerful weekend..

*************
Just thought Id share with nyou guys some of the sights I saw this weekend.
I decided to still make my trip down to NJ this weekend to see my friends
down there. Was definately a weekend I will not forget.

On the way down, I pulled over on the highway at 5 to 7pm to do the
candlelight vigil that had been posted about online. I had just crossed the border into NY and honestly felt kinda corny doing this but I felt like i had to. I had pulled over right in front of this really high cliff-face and got out of my car after putting my
hazzzards on. No sooner had I slammed my door did other cars start pulling over too. I thought I was gonna be the only crazy that pulled over, but as soon as I saw I wasnt, I didnt feel so corny anymore.

Without saying a word we all kinda made our way down to the cliff. There was about 15 of us I think by the time 7pm hit. A police officer pulled up behind the cars and I thought he was gonna make us leave, but he just pulled in behind the cars to make sure no one hit them.

7pm and we all lit our candles, people passing around candles to light other ones. The sun had just set and the sky was a deep blood red. We all just kinda stood there silently, listening to the cars go by and our flags flapping in the wind. As the moment went by, people placed all their candles in the cliff face, hugged the perfect strangers that shared this moment with them, and got back in their cars and silently went on their way.

And then on sunday night. Me, my friend Tom and Joe decided to go to the pier in Jersey city since it was right down the street from Toms house; where I was staying. This pier is directly across the river and the closest point from where the WTC used to be.

I have never seen anything like that in my life.

The entire waterfront was dark, all of the huge office buildings were all black and were only lit by the ghostly white light that was coming out of the void where the twin towers used to be. There was a billowing smoke cloud rising from the light and hovered over the devastation. In between the dark buildings still standing you could see the rubble. On the right I could see what was left of one of the walls; all jagged and broken. On the left side I saw the flag that the fire fighters had placed on top of the pile of debris.

Alot of people on the pier were taking pictures, alot of people were looking through binocculars. But everyone was very hushed and in awe.

I turned around just to try and catch my breath from what I was seeing. And saw the vigil. I walked over to the large circle of candles and flowers. All around the candles were pictures and missing posters. A grown man in a business suit was on his knees crying while his friend stood next to him with his hand on his shoulder.

I realized I still had my candle from the roadside vigil, I was wary about leaving the large candle on the cliff for fear of starting a fire. So I pulled it out, picked up one of the candles already lit to light mine. I said a prayer and placed the candle in the circle, watched for a minute to make sure it wouldnt go out and then stood up.

I turned around to look one last time at the glowing smoke before I left. The last thing I heard before I had to go was a elderlly old man who was standing on the pier looking across the water saying softly to himself;

"What a f**king world we live in. What a f**king world."

****

Current Mood: contemplative

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4:41 pm
[skaloop]
Banned!
I have banned some users who have I have been told have been putting inappropriate material on here. canddypenguin and indianjoe are banned as of now, and if there are any more, let me know.

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12:16 pm
[ladymoonshine]
WHY?
Why would you want to cause even furthur pain? Why do you write those hurtful things? I don't like what's happening here. Goodbye.

Current Mood: disappointed

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Wednesday, January 30th, 2002
4:03 pm
[snoopyh42]
Off topic, but important: I have reported both withoutamask and indianjoe to the LJ Abuse team. Hopefully they will be silent soon.

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